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    Posted: March 18 2018 at 5:36am
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Now I am determined to get a WW1 SMLE from 1915/16 I would like to be looking out for the correct bayonet. Being new to this whole game, excuse me if the answer is obvious, but are these generally date stamped with or without regimental markings?
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IIRC its maker & date.
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I may as well just email you. Lol. You seem to answer my every post.
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I have been offered this but there is no point if it is not contemporary to the SMLE I am after.
 
WW1 British 1907 Pattern sword bayonet and leather scabbard with pre-1915 lack of oiling hole to pommel.  Overall length 22.1/2in., blade length 17in. Blade to shiny grey patina signs of sharpening and also with many inspection marks, stamped with Kings crown, 1907 and the rare maker "Chapman".  Push buttton muzzle release works well with cross-guard and pommel to dark grey/ brown patina but without oil hole to pommel indicating pre-1915 manufacture.  The wooden grips are complete and in good condition with a stamped inspection mark to one side.  The dark brown leather scabbard has also got traces of a stamped inspection mark, the bottom steel chape and throat chape are to a speckled dark brown/ grey patina, the throat chape with an inspection stamp below the pre 1916 frog button. The whole in very good overall condition commensurate with age
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Being retired I just lurk here waiting for prey!
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Bayonets aren't really my strong point (excuse the pun).
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Sounds like a good bayonet to go for, if the price is right.
As with many items of kit; bayonet's issued would not necessarily be the same date as the rifle; So as long as it's the correct type and era; should be OK.
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Wait! "Signs of sharpening"?
Loose wimmen tightened here
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I will post some photos for your perusal and the price is about £195 as it ia Chapman. ALthough, I have no idea whether this prce is right or not.

 

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At that price I'd want it without the file marks on the blade. Why not look for a cheaper Sanderson or Wilkinson bayonet. They are more common so you'll probably find one in better condition for less money.
This is a Sanderson from 1917.

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Yes, you are probably right. I would really like one dated 1915 and it doesn't need to be a Chapman, but in good nick. The sharpening efforts are a bit of a bodge then?
I need to keep looking, unless someone on this forum has one for sale. Lol
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first off , yes , its 'correct' for the SMLE you are seeking , the scabbard is also correct for that time , 

second , it actually looks pretty nice if as said above price is fair , 

third , while chapman is one of the early makers , its not all that "rare" , i can give you a rundown of the makers and counts of production , but i would not steer you toward another for 'rarity' unless you had a really special rifle of some sort and were looking to get in deep , that one is a fine example for WWI , 


the four to the right are all P1907 , oldest is the left - 1910 Mole Hookie , then 1915 EFD without clearing hole , then 1917 Chapman with clearing hole , and last 1942 OA with period replacement SLAZ scales , 


the two on the left are a P1888 for the older long lees , this will not fit the SMLE , then P1903 - this one will fit the SMLE but is correct for the earlier mkI series by date era 



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Wow. That's some collection you have there. Is that the norm state side?
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i cannot speak for norm , i still have some holes in what i would like to have - i like the idea of getting as close to one of each as possible , but that is most likely out of the question , too many too hard to find and way too little time left iin life , 

these are an assortment of the older ones , the other side of the cabinet had the P1853 , martini , snyder with their bayonets as well as the P1914/M1917s with their bayonets , and my cooey trainer , i lost that photo in photobucket crash , 

i lost my display case photos of the latter no 4s & no 5 as well , separate cabinet , 
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Standard Length Pattern 1907 Bayonets: Manufacturers Markings.


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My current older guns are my 1790s Brown Bess with musket and 1880s Snider Enfield, again with bayonet. The LE is just next on my list, followed by a Martini Henry.
 
Nice photos of the differing bayonet manufacturers.
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