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Shamu 
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I think that's a mistake, or, typo on the part of Graff & Sons site? I've been using them for several years & they were marked for the M-N rifles right on the box! I remember because I was breaking in a brand new (unfired) No4 Mk2 barrel & it was definitely "tight" so I actively sought out the smaller diameter bullets.
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Not on the Graf and Sons website. Their "303 caliber/7.7 Japan (311-312) 23 products" link on their homepage takes you eventually to the Hornady FMJBT bullets which are NOW listed as .3105" after I called them and complained. They were originally listed as .311 as shown on the Hornady box. It doesn't mention Noisy Maggots anywhere.
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Thanks t r sharing, shows there are still good people.
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I went to our indoor small bore range today and a member who I had not seen for a couple of years was there. He is getting on, nearly 90 and has been suffering from ill heath. He has disposed of his full bore rifles. He said to me are these any use to you?and gave me 12, boxes of PPU 174 grain .303 ammunition I tried to pay for them but he wouldn't take anything.
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Posted: April 14 2023 at 2:56pm |
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The .3105 were marked & advertised for the "Moist Nugget
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The Hornady .312" was a special order for Graf & Son and will have GRAF written on the box. I have found a supplier that is offering .311"/.3115"/.312" FMJBT'S for the 7.62x54R and they are no different in performance out to 200 yards than all the other brands we have used. I'm currently working up a load using one of their 168grn FMJBT'S...
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Posted: April 14 2023 at 8:20am |
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The last batch of Hornady 174gr. I bought late 2022 still miked out at .3105" but they were FMJBT, not the BTHP which like you, I haven't been able to find either.
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Looking back Geoff I didn't have the No.4 SR"b" when I shot the Hornady, and yes it was the .312" variety that we had then.
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Posted: April 14 2023 at 4:46am |
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I’ve not found any difference in accuracy between the SMK and Hornady BTHP Match bullet. Hornady made a few different 174 grain bullets, you want the .312 diameter bullet, not the .3105, I don’t think they make them anymore.
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Sapper, I concur exactly with, 1) SMK, 2) PPU and regarding Hornady not always available in the UK but I have used them way back and found them ok'ish. Your last statement is certainly in line with my own thoughts, however I did quite well at 500 yards last year with the PPU which I would not usually use in competition if SMK's were available.
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I've reloaded 174 gr. bullets from four different manufacturers; Sierra, Hornady, PPU, and pulled MkVII. In order of accuracy: 1) SMK 2) PPU 3) Hornady 4) pulled MkVII For practical uses such as plinking or Hog hunting you won't notice enough of a difference to matter. For long range service rifle matches you definitely want the SMK bullets.
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I’ve yet to try any PPU bullets. When I see some available, I’ll try them.
Agree with all the above, likely do just as well in the LE as the Sierra and Hornady match bullets. Might see some difference at the mid and long ranges, 600 yds and beyond. But, if they are cheaper than the SMKs and shoot just as well at 200, I’m going to buy them.
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PPU bullets are good in all of my .303's.
To be perfectly honest, I don't see much difference between these and my handloads with Sierra Match Kings. Probably a better shooter behind the rifle may see more of a difference .
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 12:17pm |
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I've never shot "tailor made" PPU bullets but I do use their projectiles and brass for reloading. That being said, the type of shooting I do is at our 100 yard range and white-tail deer hunting. Both PPU 150 and 174gr FMJBT shoot as good as any Sierra or Hornady of similar weights at 100 yards, in my humble opinion. Keep the brass, as it is excellent for reloading!
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