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Strangely Brown 
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 Posted: December 15 2023 at 11:08am |
I used to use M Pro and liked it, but like many US gun cleaning products it suddenly disappeared off the UK shelves.
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Posted: December 15 2023 at 4:53pm |
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Oh, Bummer. I sent them an e-mail here in the US requesting info on any UK importer. If/when I hear anything I'll pass it on to you. How could I not help CharWallah!
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted: December 16 2023 at 2:47am |
I’ve got about 1/4 of a 1 quart can of Young’s .303 that was Dad’s. Use it on the black powder rifles (Snider, Martini, Trapdoor Springfield). What I like about it is being an aqueous oil, it will carry the salts from firing potassium chlorate primers which is the primary concern when using WWII and prior service ammunition. Seems very effective on black powder fouling too. Solvent and oil all in one… Probably not too effective in removing metallic fouling or hard carbon though… |
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Posted: December 16 2023 at 3:23am |
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I've recently acquired a locker in the gunroom of the Army club at Bisley (after a wait of 23 years!) and the friend whose locker I'm taking over cleared his kit out earlier this year.
Over the course of a couple of months I've given him an old air rifle and more recently a BSA air pistol to tinker with, he returned the favour last week with a gift from his old locker which I dare say will go back in it next year. Having this on the bench I now have no excuse not to buy some Young's 303!  |
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Posted: December 16 2023 at 3:28am |
That took me a minute or two to understand!   |
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Shamu
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Posted: December 16 2023 at 10:08am |
 Oh, & Snap on the poink-poink oil can! No "Youngs" though, just some CLP  |
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Posted: December 17 2023 at 9:30am |
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Found this video today. Keith Glasscock has many excellent and informing videos on long range shooting, rifle maintenance, reloading, etc.
This one is about removing hard carbon. He’s not using Bore Tech C4, but trying Free All. He did use Bore Tech Eliminator to remove copper. Note what he says towards the end of the video about copper and carbon layering.
I pulled out my Long Branch No. 4 shooter, the one with about 10,000 rounds down the barrel. I didn’t know much about cleaning barrels until this one had been nearly shot out. I cleaned it down to bare metal once, a year or two ago using JB paste. I’m giving it a go with Eliminator and C4. I’ll post the results here when I get it done. The starting point was after my standard routine clean with Hoppes 9. I can tell you this much, it looked a LOT worse than the barrel he showed prior to removing the carbon! |
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Posted: December 17 2023 at 9:38am |
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50 reversing strokes IN THE BORE with a worn brush. I'm not so sure about that no-no. I might try the product & use a firm brush but I just can't break my training to NEVER reverse a brush!
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Posted: December 17 2023 at 11:52am |
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Real reason not to reverse a brush is that it will fold the bristles over. Once it starts wearing down a little, there is no problem with doing that.
I got thru the first few stages of cleaning on the Long Branch. There was a fair bit of copper to remove with fairly obvious dark carbon underneath. Cleaning with C4 took most of that out on the first pass, but the first few inches from the throat is proving stubborn to remove. It may not actually be much carbon there but discoloured dark from the heat perhaps. The firecracking is quite bad for the first 3 inches. Here is what the Eliminator removed (copper). Followed instructions on the bottle.  I thought I would try brushing the bore after letting it soak in the C4, but found out that my bronze brushes are worn, less than .305 inches in diameter. One of them was worn down to .300, so useless in scrubbing out the grooves. So, just ordered a pack of 12. I think he is right about thinking of brushes as disposable. I’m having some trouble downloading the borescope photos at the moment, I’ll update this after I get that sorted out. |
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Posted: December 17 2023 at 6:25pm |
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OK, Brushes to me have always been use till used Then discard. I really liked the Frankford Arsenal ones with the stiff blue nylon bristles as they couldn't give a false copper warning!
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 5:08am |
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Yes, I also use the blue nylon (mine are Bore Tech) when using copper remover.
Finally got my borescope pics to load. Here is the bottom line - while the C4 does quite well on removing the majority of the carbon fouling, the hard carbon at the throat remained. Only JB removed the throat carbon. I even let it soak all day and overnight with C4 and that still did not remove all the carbon in the throat. First, the bore as cleaned with Hoppes 9, my routine cleaning procedure. Keep in mind this barrel has about 10,000 rounds thru it. You can see there is some copper mixed in with carbon, particularly in the grooves. Some streaks of copper and carbon on the lands. This is about 10 inches forward of the chamber.  I then cleaned with Bore Tech Eliminator. 3 wet patches pushed thru the bore followed by brushing with nylon brush soaked in solvent, then 2 wet patches, let soak 10 mins and dry patch out. This did a good job in removing the copper. Next was C4, applied in a similar manner as the Eliminator. The bore looked quite clean after this, but about 3 inches of the bore forward of the chamber remained quite dark, first photo below is about 1 inch forward of the chamber. Second photo is about 8 inches down the bore.   After letting the bore soak overnight in C4, it did not clean the throat out much better. So, I used my old standby, JB Bore Paste. Pass a patch soaked in Kroil, then apply the JB to a clean patch, wrap around a worn bronze brush, and gave the first 6 to 8 inches of bore in front of the chamber a good scrub, 30 strokes. Then clean out with Kroil. 1 inch forward of the chamber.  3 inches in front of chamber  6 inches in front of chamber.  This is as clean as it gets. |
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 9:24am |
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I’ll add a few final thoughts on this:
1) barrels with relatively low round count seem to clean up fairly easy with the C4, see results above with my No. 4 T. 2) carbon in the first few inches of bore seems to be harder and more difficult to remove than further down the bore, may require bronze brush to loosen it (I will try that next time). Perhaps the high temps and pressures that this area of the bore is exposed to is the reason. 3) routine cleaning with C4 may help minimize carbon buildup and when used with copper remover, may prevent layering of these two types of fouling. 4) keeping a squeaky clean barrel in a LE with high round count may not really provide much accuracy improvement, but allowing lumpy buildup of copper and carbon can’t be good for accuracy either. Perhaps squeaky clean is not necessary. Now that the Long Branch barrel is fully clean, I plan to go shoot it and evaluate if it’s time to replace the barrel. |
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 10:13am |
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Your pen holder looks like a cut down "Bofers" 40mm cartridge!
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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!
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Strangely Brown
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 10:20am |
Zed, it is! I have two of them, the other one has breech flags in it.
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 10:38am |
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I tried the C4 and copper remover on my No4 rifles yesterday. These had not been shot since the last clean.
The C4 appeared to work well, with plenty of dark residue on the patches. Nice blue patch from the No4 Mk1/2. I was unable to use the bore scope, due to not having my laptop. I will try and inspect them properly soon; although my bore scope is a cheap USB type. The mirror is a bit crappy.
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 10:45am |
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I have a small collection of cartridge cases in my workshop. The rim thickness is quite distinct on the Bofers round.
This is one of those accidental collections! I keep finding stuff at the village brocantes in France.
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