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How did you get the mask to seal around all that hair??????? Confused
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How did you get the mask to seal around all that hair??????? Confused



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Dave,
"71.5 grains of RFG2 Black powder."
 
I never heard of that type. Is it "Real Fine Grain 2" Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Smokey Smokey wrote:

Dave,
"71.5 grains of RFG2 Black powder."
 
I never heard of that type. Is it "Real Fine Grain 2" Big%20smile


  Can't say that I know for sure ! apparently though they use to roll it (the charge) into a cylinder shape that was tappered at each end with a hole through the middle. This would have given a greater area of mass there by making it a Fast burning charge .

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Is that the kind of charge they ORIGINALLY used in the Snider "Rolling Block"?
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Is that the kind of charge they ORIGINALLY used in the Snider "Rolling Block"?
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 It would seem .That it was the 'Standard' Powder  Type right through from the  Sniders  & 577-450s  to the .303 . I Damned if I can find a comparison to ,todays types of Black powder though so far as burning rates ! Can you though some light on the Subject Hoadie ???

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No clue Dave. I use FFF @ 80 grains (average) in my Enfield .577. I know the guys using Brown Bess use FF & I have a friend that has an original Potsdam(1795-I beleive) Belgan..he's 69 Cal. & he uses FF.
When I took my Blk pwdr artillery training, we used F.But this was/is all modern stuff.I know the old stuff burnt slower..& COOLER
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"I use FFF @ 80 grains (average) in my Enfield .577"
What weight bullet do you use?
I load my .58 Colt with 65gr FFG under a 500gr Minie Bullet. That actually is a pretty potent load. Shoots pretty well too.
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According to the info that I have it was a 71.5 grn compressed black powder pellet.

Not sure what they mean by "pellet".

Ill have to see how much black powder a case will hold, that is assuming that they used one of the grades that we use now.
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Well -I can tell you that from my black powder artillery school(a lifetime ago) there was mention of "pellet". Now-w/reference to my artillery book,it says:Aside from gradual improvement in the formula,no grt change in pwdr making came till 1860, when Gen.Thom.J Rodman(hoadie note-the Rodman gun)of the U.S.ordanace dept. began 2 tailor powder to the calibre of the gun.Action of ordinary cannon pwdr was too sudden.Whole charge was consumed before the projectile had fairly started on itsway-& strain on the gun was terrific.Rodman compressed pwdr into disks that fit the bore of the gun.Disks were an inch or 2 thick,& pierced w/holes.this arrangement a minimum of powder surface was exposed @ beginning of combustion,but as fire ate holeslarger,burning area actually increased-producing greater volume of gas as the projectile moved forward.Rodman thus laid the foundationfor the "progressive burning"pellets of modern powders.
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Like model rocket engines then with the hole up the middle
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Any idea what they used to bind the powder to make the disks?  Gelatine or a chemical binder to hold them in shape?
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I believe black powder can be formed into various shapes while damp. If I remember correctly, the ingredients were mixed with ammonia and dried into sheets. The sheets would then be broken up into granules when almost completely dry.
Trying to press dry powder into some other form could have unexpected pyrotechnic effects! Star
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I used to go to a range out in the PRK to shoot my replica Spiller & Burr and Griswold & Gunnison .36s.  They won't hit crap, but a guy used to come out with a Ruger Old Army and "ring the bell" (hit a school bus brake drum down at the end of the rifle range) 385 yards away with startling regularity.
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getting back to punt guns...a little while ago I was talkin bout them & No-one believed me bout 4 guage.Here they used to mount them on a punt to hit GEESE.firing straight up wud damn near put her under!!(but U got the geese!!
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