Black ring near muzzle

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   he!!o everyone, I would like to kindly ask about dark ring (bulge?) under the bayonet lugs area on my Long Branch No.4. I’ve seen a few topics on different sites but I never found an answer if the rifle is safe to shoot. Other than this the Bore is tight and looks in perfect shape.  Thank you all in advance.[IMG]uploads/7192/IMG_3192.jpeg[/IMG]

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makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Black ring near muzzle Posted: February 09 2024 at 6:42am
	he!!o everyone, I would like to kindly ask about dark ring (bulge?) under the bayonet lugs area on my Long Branch No.4. I’ve seen a few topics on different sites but I never found an answer if the rifle is safe to shoot. Other than this the Bore is tight and looks in perfect shape. Thank you all in advance.[IMG]uploads/7192/IMG_3192.jpeg[/IMG]

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 09 2024 at 6:04pm
	I'm afraid you need (IIRC 20 posts) to upload images. Sorry its an anti-spam thing.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 12:55am
	Oh, okay no problem. I will go and try it out on the range with a string i guess. I

britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 3:48am
	Do you think it’s an actual bulge in the barrel or just visibly appears that way? Is it noticeable from the outside (can you measure an increase in diameter at the location of the bulge compared to away from it)? Bulges are usually caused by an obstruction that was in the barrel when a shot was fired.

shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 6:01am
	I would think at the very least a bulge caused by what ever reason would effect accuracy. If it was my rifle and was not to military spec, I`d probably lop the barrel and re-crown it and use it.

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 6:05am
	I’m not able to measure it because it’s located under the bayonet lugs and in that place the barrel is thicker. But when I shine the light from the chamber there is black ring so I assume that must be bulge since the light can’t reach there. I can send you a photo via email if you want.

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 6:09am
	I haven’t shot it yet, so I dont know if it’s accurate or not. The story is that I bought a farm and found this rifle in an 1932 wheat cutter machine, wrapped in cotton bag, It’s a Long Branch 1943, 2 groove, stock is full of trench art and it is marked N^Z, how this rifle ended here in Czech Republic I have no idea.

Goosic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8842	Post Options Post Reply Quote Goosic Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 6:59am
	If you are describing the area I have circled in red makrato then, there is no issues. That, "dark ring (bulge)" is part of the barrel machining process...

shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:15am
	If so, then that makes sense as to what he may be describing.

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:18am
	But the ring is in the bore, not outside the barrel, it doesn’t seem right to me. I have a photo but I’m not allowed to post pictures since I’m new, But I can send it to you via email if you want.

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:20am
	Shiloh you have a PM from me.

shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:27am
	Here`s a pic of the issue he pm`d me. There appears to be a flat ring inside the bore. Does this go right out to the muzzle??

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:34am
	Nope, it is only under bayonet lugs. Muzzle is tight almost as new. Thats why I dont get it, I’ve seen at least 3 indepent topics on different sites where people have this ring exactly on the same place as I do.

Goosic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8842	Post Options Post Reply Quote Goosic Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 7:39am
	Huh. No guesses on that one except, from the picture, it looks like there is no rifling from the muzzle inwards to that dark ring, suggesting that someone has drilled out the issue and now the rifling ends where that dark ring begins?...

shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 8:01am
	My thought exactly. A possible reactivated dewat maybe. which would suggest it was drilled out to accept a plug. But why would you ever want to plug the end of a barrel.... Interesting mystery. Any hole repairs in the breech that look as though it might have be deactivated at some point??? All questions that need to be answered by Makrato.

makrato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 09 2024 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote makrato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 10 2024 at 8:32am
	As I said above, the muzzle is not counterbored it passes the bullet test as good as my Lothar Walther barrel on my second rifle. Also the rifle was def. not deactivated, I found it when I bought a farm house. With original canvas sling that was trashed and also with pouches and WW2 ammo, it was hidden in old wheat machine.