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Today went to the range with the no4 mk2, unexpectedly no fouling shots needed.
300mt sitting at the bench, light was constantly changing as you can see in the target the group was moving 1/2 moa when sun light started hitting the target, today sky is full of clouds with pretty heavy wind.
I think tz4/47 is far superior to the ph5c.
After 20 shots:


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Excellent shooting!

I’m curious why you think the TZ sight is superior to the 5C?

I see 9 shots on the target, do you not include all the shots when determining the size of the group? Those 9 look to have grouped in under 2 MOA which is exceptional for a No. 4 with factory ammo. 


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Thank you!
I believe it’s superior because of adjustments, in the tz4/47 i found a true 1/2 moa or probably a little less instead of the 0.65 i found with the ph5c, then it’s in the manufacture, better quality in my opinion, design apart, the tz suffer from iris holder canting on the windage arm because of high tolerances, an easy fix by putting a 0.1mm sheet under the windage arm tracks to tight the gap.
No they are just 9, usually I charge the magazine with 5 rds per time to count,my was friend taking to me while shooting, I put one more in the previous target
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By 0.65 I mean inches at 100yds.
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Correct, the PH 5C sight is 0.010 inches per four clicks, this works out to about 1.25 MOA. 
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Exactly Geoff
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Shimming the mount is pretty normal.
Theres no "gauging requirement" on the side wall of the receiver!
I agree the TZ is a bit nicer.
That's the result of the infamous "Enfield Inch" Confused
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Yes Shamu, the ph5c on my no4 mk1 is canting to the right, I will shim it to make it level.
But what if it was made on purpose to compensate the left canting of the rifle when sling supported?
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I’ve shot my No.4 7.62 (1:12 right hand twist barrel) out to 1000 yds with the PH5C and the lateral POI tracks very nicely with increasing range (lateral POI does not change with range in calm conditions).   If the sight was canted, you would see the groups moving to the left or right as the range increases. You would also see elevation POI changes as you adjust the rear sight left or right. I’ve never seen this with a PH 5C.

Bullet spin drift is fairly insignificant out to 1000 yards (about 1 MOA at 1000x).  Beyond that, it begins to take a significant effect.

By the way, you will get significant lateral aiming errors if you cant the rifle to one side or the other, especially at long range. The trick is to hold the rifle the same way every shot, to within +/- a few degrees.  Easier to do with a scope, but can be done with irons too. 


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It really wasn't.
If you don't shim it for vertical (& horizontal) alignment as you make elevation or windage adjustments you'll also be applying a little of the opposite adjustment also because of the canting.

Look back at the history & you'll se the PH5 series stared out with the PH5A, with the SMLE mount, which had the "long dog leg" to mount to the early bolt-mounted safety mounting holes. The instructions even say to "heat & bend, or shim" to fit to an non-gauged area (the butt socket). That was in turn a development of the earlier No9 series!

The 5C was essentially a 5A with a different mounting bracket for the No4 series, & carried the "shim to fit" legacy from its parent version. Its also why "matching" sight arms & bases are a big deal This was Victorian era hand-fitting of precision parts, like the dovetail between arm & base, not modern "plug & Play" Confused

There were a lot of "legacy" features in the development of the series. That was a big part of the fascination with those older target sights!




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