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Posted: February 19 2026 at 3:46pm |
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been an interesting read , thanks
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Posted: February 20 2026 at 4:10am |
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Looking forward to seeing the results.
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Posted: February 20 2026 at 12:21pm |
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Some very good results today with the T.
The only remaining issue is to try and reduce the scope parallax error. If I can’t address it with the internal erector cell focus, I will get a plastic lens cap for the eyepiece lens and drill a small central hole thru it. That will force me to keep a consistent eye position. I was able to practically eliminate the left/right parallax error by ensuring the graticule post was centered in the blurred image of the front sight protector, but finding a way to hold a consistent eye position vertically was tough. I only shot 33 rounds today, but even struggling with the parallax, the results were very good! Here is the first 10 shot group at 200 yds. I’m certain shot 3 was due to parallax, I realized at that point the graticule post was not centered within the foresight protector image and my eye position varied from shot to shot. ![]() After some sighting shots, I fired a 3 shot group at 300 yds which measured just 3.6 inches across: ![]() Vertical eye position is very difficult to get consistent, and it shows on this target. Once I can address the parallax issue, I will move out to 600 yards and run the load development ladder test. These tests today were with 40.9 gr Varget, 174 gr Sierra MatchKing (SMK), mean velocity was 2420 fps. |
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Posted: February 20 2026 at 1:20pm |
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I'm following this very closely and find I learn something new every time I log on. Great shooting! That's with the new barrel, correct?
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Posted: February 20 2026 at 1:41pm |
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Thanks Canuck, yes, the “new” Lothar Walther barrel which now has 1600 rounds thru it!
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Posted: February 20 2026 at 2:10pm |
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That LW barrel is on my bucket list.
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Posted: February 21 2026 at 5:59pm |
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The Lothar Walther No. 4 barrels are out there, but no longer for sale in the US. I’m not sure if Canada is importing any that are made in Germany. US production has stopped (where the one I have on the T was made) and LW USA will not import any from Germany. I found one last year in Canada and have that as a spare.
I’ve tinkered with the No.32 scope erector cell focus adjustment and decided to go for a sharp graticule focus at a slightly degraded object (target) focus, much like we do with aperture sights. I also made a clear ocular (eyepiece) lens cover with a 3/16” hole in the center, edges painted black, to help center my eye in the scope. The idea is to reduce the parallax error to a minimum. Next outing I’ll shoot a group at 300 yds then move out to 600 yds. If I have time, I’ll also shoot with the scope removed (using the Mk I backsight). Stay tuned… |
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Posted: February 27 2026 at 5:21pm |
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I ran the 40 shot ladder test today at 600 yards with the No. 4 T. Weather conditions were good, 60 - 65 deg F, winds 3 to 5 mph varying direction.
I first did one 10 shot group at 300 yards. The first 9 shots were within 3.1 inch spread, 1 MOA. The last shot opened the group to 4.2 inches, 1.4 MOA. I think nerves got to me thinking of how nice a 10 shot 1 MOA group would be at 300 yds. Happy with these results. ![]() After some sighters at 600 yds, I proceeded with the ladder test of the following load: PPU Case Neck Sized WLR Primer Varget Powder - Charge Weights 40.0, 40.3, 40.6, 40.9, 41.2, 41.5, 41.8 and 42.1 grains 174 gr Sierra MatchKing 3.07” Cartridge Overall Length I shot these in a “round robin” approach, one shot of each powder charge working my way from 40.0 to 42.1 grains, then repeated this for a total of 5 rounds of each charge weight. This spreads out the environmental factors fairly evenly over the 40 round total. Each shot position (x and y) was recorded off the monitor along with muzzle velocity. Here is an example of one of the plot sheets. A 1 MOA is overlayed on the 600 yard scale target for reference. This is standard 8.5x11 inch letter paper, so a 1 inch grid on the plot sheet. ![]() Group centers were calculated and plotted on this sheet: ![]() Note that Loads C, D and E (40.0, 40.3 and 40.6) have very similar Mean Point of Impact despite the 82 fps velocity extreme spread. At 40.9 gr, elevation takes a step increase and rises steeply for each additional 0.3 grains. Clearly, the rifle does not compensate for velocity increases from powder charges above 40.6 grains (MV = 2391 fps), very likely that bullets are leaving the barrel as it is moving downwards. 40.3 grains seems to be an accuracy node at a 2365 fps possibly with the muzzle at the bottom of its displacement in the vertical plane. I may redo the test and lower the charge weights to 39.4, 39.7, 40.0, 40.3 and 40.6 grains to confirm if the 40.3 gr charge is at the bottom of muzzle deflection. Slower charges may then compensate nicely at 600 yds. My last 600 yard group (only had 9 rounds left) was with the 40.9 grain load. It was looking quite good until I had a case head separation, which resulted in a flier in the 5 ring at 12 O’Clock (shot #5). Shot #6 was sloppy. This group had a fairly tight ES at 38 fps, SD at 13 fps. ![]() |
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Posted: February 28 2026 at 11:30am |
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Those are some outstanding results. I'd be thinking that "C, D and E (40.0, 40.3 and 40.6") Is definitely a sweet spot. I doubt your reloading charges varies by as much as 0.3 Gr,
so even minute variations will keep you "in the frame" that way. |
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Posted: February 28 2026 at 12:35pm |
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Thanks Shamu. I had weighed every charge for this test and trickled it up to the targeted weight, so it’s within the precision of the scale, which I think is +/- 0.05 gr, but possibly as much as +/- 0.1 gr. I’ve checked my scale, a RBCS Rangemaster, with calibrated weights and it was dead on.
I’m using a Harrell’s precision measure, it will typically throw charges to within +/- 0.1 grains. I usually only weigh out every charge for my 600 yd and long range (800 to 1000 yds) loads. Short line loads (300 yds and less) get dumped from the measure directly into the case. It is not likely that this rifle is an anomaly regarding how shot POI elevation is affected by muzzle velocity variations, I suspect it’s inherent to the No. 4 (T) and could well be part of the reason that snipers were discouraged from taking shots beyond 600 yards. Snipers were expected to be able to make reliable hits on the body out to 400 yds and head shots out to 200 yds with the No. 4 (T). But, I’ve shown here with a good bullet and good load, head shots are assured at 300 yds (4 inch ten shot groups) providing the range is accurately estimated. At 600 yds it becomes a bit tricky and not 100% assured. One of these days, I’ll visit the unknown distance range which is right next to the 600 yd known distance range. It’s a whole bunch of steel plates. I’ll see how I do with estimating the range and how successful I can be with a first shot hit. This is how the sniper matches really should be run. |
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Posted: February 28 2026 at 3:48pm |
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Absolutely! We did a thing called "the dice roll" at that place in Pa. There were steel silhouettes at 25, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 & 650 yds. all the competitors, usually only 3 or maybe 5 of us rolled a dice to get the firing order, lowest number first to start. the there was a dice roll for the first shoter. 1 was 25 yds 2 was 50 3 was 100, 4 was 200, 5 was 300, 6 was 400, 7 was 500 & 6 was 650 yds. All the competitors shot in sequence at whatever the first target rolled was. After everyone was done First one to ring steel chose the distance for the next relay & so on. It could get intense, there was a lot of gaming going on to increase the levels of stress. It was WAY more challenging & fun than paper punching though! ![]() |
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Posted: March 02 2026 at 12:22pm |
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I had replied to this last post of Shamu’s, but due to some system errors, it got restored to a previous backup and several posts evaporated!
My post had commented that one of the virtues of the No. 32 Scope was its ease of dealing with range. While the 1 minute elevation adjustments might seem crude in comparison to the contemporary USMC 8x Unertl scope with 1/4 MOA click adjustments which is desirable for a target scope, but the No. 32 scope 1 MOA adjustments for purposes of hitting a man size target out to 600 yards is perfectly adequate. With just 4 clicks per 100 yards (from 100 to 500 yds) and the elevation drum range markings very visible, what could be easier to use! ![]() I’ve witnessed two of my good friends shooting the 03A1 sniper rifle getting lost on counting up the clicks from 300 to 600 yards during a match and they could not get hits on paper! |
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Posted: March 02 2026 at 12:43pm |
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My next post was a summary of my recent ladder test with the No. 4 T with the following conclusions:
1. This rifle no longer has “negative compensation” in that the elevation spreads at 600 yards correspond to the external ballistics (bullet drop) effects. 2. In the muzzle velocity range of Mk 7 ball ammunition of 2440 +/- 40 fps, the elevation spreads at 600 yards amount to +/- 0.94 MOA, effectively neutral compensation. Quite adequate as a WWII sniper rifle. 3. At slightly lower muzzle velocity, the rifle shows positive compensation, with about half the vertical spread that would occur due to bullet drop alone. At 2360 +/- 30 fps, the elevation spread is just +/- 0.3 MOA. This plot shows individual shot elevation at 600 yards vs muzzle velocity. Note that elevation is fairly insensitive to muzzle velocity from 2320 to 2390 fps, it’s almost random, just what we want to see. ![]() So, the targeted load will be for a MV of 2365 +/- 25 fps (ES of 50 fps or less) which should be achievable. For this rifle, it will be 40.3 gr of Varget with 174 gr Sierra MatchKing. I’ll do one more test to fill in the gap in data from 2320 to 2350 fps and also confirm this trend. |
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Posted: March 02 2026 at 2:27pm |
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'Kay they're back!
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Posted: March 02 2026 at 2:58pm |
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Had to re-create them from memory Chaz.
There was another post from Mick about losing count of the 1/4 minute clicks on a target rifle that ended with a quote from Harry Callahan, which I also responded to with a quote from Dirty Harry. About 4 or 5 posts got deleted.
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Posted: March 02 2026 at 4:03pm |
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OK, I missed that one. Just guessing still ![]() |
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