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Shamu
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Posted: January 13 2026 at 7:14pm |
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shot number & deviation.
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 4:06am |
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Which load was fired on the green silhouette target?
On the scope sighting-in target, the Varget load showed the highest velocity shot at the top and lowest velocity shot at the bottom of the target, indicating it may be negative compensation. Even with that much velocity spread, the vertical spread should have been much smaller at 300 yds. But the group is so large, probably can't conclude that just yet. Looks like a few shots are missing on the target? Some years ago, I tested 3031, I think with the 174 SMK, and it did not do as well as Varget. But that was just my rifle, and may have been a different story with a 150 gr bullet. |
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 10:30am |
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Both of them ![]() The initial sight adjustment & the follow up group with the 3031 were fired at the bottom black paster. The sighting rounds for the Varget at the upper paster at the neck junction just to separate the 2 groups. there was no additional sight adjustment for that group. There should be 10 rounds on each of the orange/white targets. The green silhouette is actually several practice & check rounds. the upper (Varget) group should be 7 rounds, numbered with one down way low inside the larger bottom group fired separately. I'm mailing you 2 cases. Both fired in the No4 Mk2. One was partial full length resized after firing. The ziploc bags have labels inside. Sorry about the ugly little lube dent
I schpritzed spray lube rather generously as the die was bone dry & so was the case & I only resized a single round. |
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 11:27am |
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On the air space over Varget. My data confirms that more is better with respect to case ais spaces. 39.2 Gr gave an ES of 108.9 39.4 Gr gave an ES of 67.0 39.6 Gr gave an ES of 52.0 & 41.4 Gr gave an ES of 49.3 none of these left a lot of air space though. This is 38.0 Gr of Varget & IMR3031 both are 85~90% of case volume to the base of the neck. ![]() |
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 2:28pm |
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I have gone as high as 42.1 gr Varget with the 174 gr bullets and that was giving very respectable ES.
But, also had very good 10 shot groups with 40.0 gr at 200 yds. It seems the No. 4 without scope handled the velocity variations just fine. Throw a scope on and it doesn’t like the large ES values. |
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 3:38pm |
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I tried Varget when it came out. The MAX loads were way lower than current, IIRC 40.0 Gr for a 150. ![]() |
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Posted: January 14 2026 at 4:03pm |
I’m not sure why that was the case. I wonder if the formulation changed? Could be any number of reasons. But at 100% load density, Its hard to beat for the .30 Cal rifle cartridges in the range of 2400 to 2800 fps, like the .308 Win.
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Posted: January 15 2026 at 9:39am |
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Lawyer-proofing maybe?
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Posted: January 16 2026 at 10:22am |
That’s the most likely explanation. I wonder if Hodgdon reduced the charge weights from the ADI AR 2208 data when it first came out? I’ve been loading Varget since 2017 and the Hodgdon website data for Varget matched that of ADI 2208 since then. I’ve got my 174 gr SMK loads assembled for running a Ladder Test once I get the rifle back from Brian (BDL). PPU Cases, WLR Primers, 3.05 in OAL. I’ll do this test at 600 yards, this is where performance really counts in the CMP Vintage Sniper Matches. I’ve loaded 40.0 gr to 42.1 gr Varget in 0.3 gr increments, 5 rounds of each charge weight. This should cover average muzzle velocities from about 2350 to 2500 fps. I will shoot these in a “Round Robin” style so environmental and barrel fouling/heating effects are spread out evenly over the 8 different charge weights. With any luck, I’ll find the “accuracy node” where vertical spreads are reduced substantially at 600 yds. |
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Posted: January 16 2026 at 10:32am |
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Looking forward to the results.
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 9:00am |
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I’m very happy to report that I now have the No. 4 T back from Brian (BDLtd). Since I’m only three hours from his shop, I drove over yesterday to get the rifle. We probably could have talked a few more hours easily!
I say with no hesitation that Brian does exceptional work, and he knows what he is doing when it comes to Lee Enfield rifles (and, many others). It was a turn key solution, he took care of all the issues I had with this rifle. I had a NOS Long Branch fore-end and handguard set that Brian fitted to the barreled action and finished with raw linseed. There were a few issues with the rifle I knew of which he corrected: 1) Excessive bolt head overturn 2) Headspace was a hair under minimum (actually less than 1/2 a hair thickness under!) 3) Re-solder scope bracket front pad to body and replaced the screws And some issues I didn’t know about that he also corrected: 1) The rifle had a No. 5 type Trigger Guard, since I don’t have a No. 5 rifle, I never new this 2) Extractor was not correct, likely a repro (this rifle had weak empty case ejection, but not anymore!) 3) Several other bits were replaced that needed it. The T is now back in full military spec. The fore-end is bedded per military requirements. This is actually quite important for using the rifle in CMP Vintage Sniper Rifle Matches. Tomorrow’s weather looks good for test shooting. I will sight it in at 200 yds, then move out for initial grouping test at 300 and 600 yds. If time permits, I’ll work thru the ladder test at 600 yds which is a round robin style test of my Match Load: PPU Case WLR Primer Varget Powder charge weight varying from 40.0 to 42.1 grains in 0.3 grain increments 174 gr Sierra MatchKing 3.05” OAL The process is to shoot one round of the eight different powder charges and repeat 4 times for a total of 40 rounds. I’m looking for a load that is relatively insensitive to muzzle velocity variation in terms of vertical spread (i.e. compensates at this range). That is a load where -0.3 and +0.3 grains falls at the same elevation mean point of impact with good vertical spreads. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 9:39am |
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Very cool.
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 9:55am |
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I agree! Very cool! I love that rifle.
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Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 10:24am |
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It’s a 1944 BSA with a very early 1945 A.K&S No. 32 Mk III scope. Has a Lothar Walther barrel that I installed last year.
Wish I knew where it had been, quite possibly crossed the Rhine in March 1945. It’s now quite far from original issue condition, but I’m crossing my fingers it shoots as good, or better, than it did in 1945! |
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 10:50am |
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All Right! Glad to hear the issues were tracked down & rectified. Would you believe the "C gauge is still lost in the ozone somewhere along with a set of print ink carts a .345 "Patriot" bore brush, 2 dummy "AA" batteries & some other bits & pieces? Last seen "in transit" from where to where unknown.
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Posted: February 19 2026 at 12:00pm |
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Must be the US Postal system.
I got a bill for my Dad not to long ago. The bill call out this was the last notice till it came as sent to collections. Only been gone going on twenty years. I wrote he was on a around the world crude and will not be coming back. They send a sase so why not. |
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