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    Posted: May 18 2008 at 3:09pm
well-I figgered it out! One of the fairly recent acquisitions of mine from the Legion was a rifle Identified as a French "Novocheck" Well-I never heard of such a critter-but then theres ALOT of things I dont know.
Everytime I'd talk about it-no one seemed to know about it.
Well-my superior sleuthing skills reveal its actually a:
Steyr Model 1886 Kropatschek Rifle (8mmX60R)
No doubt I'll have a bear of a time finding ammo.
It needs a bath in the worst way-but I'm VERY impressed with the smooth action of the bolt
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Hoadie post some pics mate
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Geeze Cookie-I'd love to!(If I knew how!) Lookit the trouble I had getting that LAST batch to ya!(You got 'em-didnt ya?Please say yes..it took a lifetime to get THAT done!)
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Geeze Cookie-I'd love to!(If I knew how!) Lookit the trouble I had getting that LAST batch to ya!(You got 'em-didnt ya?Please say yes..it took a lifetime to get THAT done!)
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Yes so email the new ones
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Hoadie,
These guys are pretty knowlegable about the French service rifles:
 
And specifically:
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HEY THANX sMOKEY!
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George that was nice of you to say thank you
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Originally posted by Cookie Monster Cookie Monster wrote:

George that was nice of you to say thank you


????? whats that all about?
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Originally posted by Cookie Monster Cookie Monster wrote:

George that was nice of you to say thank you


????? whats that all about?
 
I was just being nice saying you were nice!
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Well..its nice to be nice to the nice...now aint that nice? Oiy!(some mothers do have 'em!)
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

HEY THANX Smokey!


 That's, what CM was saying you were being nice about ! Thing that scares me is I really think you want it!Shocked

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Here's some food for thought !

  France
          
                   
           Mle1878 Kropatchek (11x59R) (Styer Naval Model)
           Mle1884 Kropatchek (11x59R) (Fr. Army)
           Mle1885 & M1874/85 Kropatchek (11x59R) (2 piece stock)

    And

         
Portugal
          
           M1878? M1881? Naval Kropatchek (11x59R) (Styer Naval Model)
           M1886 Mauser-Kropatchek (8x60R)

     Austria
          
           M1881 Kropatchek Naval (11x58R)
           
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These are the four types of Port. Krapotcheks described in Rifles of the World.  The artilery carbine, the short rifle, the long rifle and the "colonial" (the long rifle with a hand guard added to aid in controlling convection currents of the hot barrel in the tropics!).  I also included fore and aft group shots and a closeup of the four locks.  The rear sight was changed when they went to smokeless powder and the colonial shows the modified sight while the long rifle has the black powder sight. 

 


From top to bottom:  M1886 Kropatschek Infantry Rifle
                                 M1886/89 Kropatschek Infantry Rifle ("Colonial" rifle)
                                 M1886 Kropatschek Short Rifle
                                 M1886 Kropatschek Carbine
 


The Model 1886/89, sometimes called the Colonial varient, is the infantry rifle fitted with a clip-on handguard from the front of the sight to the middle barrel band.  It is suggested that the handguard was fitted to rifles issued to colonial troops to reduce the effect of sifficulty sighting due to radiated barrel heat.
 


The M1886 Kropatschek Short Rifle.  Virtually identical to the infantry rifle except for its length, the sight and a magazine capacity of 6 rounds; (only 4800 were ever produced).
 


Model 1886 Kropatschek Carbine.  Tubular magazine capacity is 5 rounds.
(only 4000 were produced)
(note turned down bolt handle on the carbine.  The rifles and short rifle each have straight bolt handles.  It doesn't look it but all varieties are fitted with cleaning rods).
 

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WOW! Thanx Davie!! Yes-I note they all have the cleaning rod(mine as well).
I note mine has ALL serial numbers matching.
Do YOU have one of these as well?
I will endeavour to take some macro pics & post 'em.Then I'll do it again @ sometime in the future after I've cleaned & "PEEKED" it
Hoadie
P.S: Does this rifle use the same cartridge as the French LaBelle?
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