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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 10:17pm
Those are some fine looking specimens of rifles
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

WOW! Thanx Davie!! Yes-I note they all have the cleaning rod(mine as well).
I note mine has ALL serial numbers matching.
Do YOU have one of these as well?
I will endeavour to take some macro pics & post 'em.Then I'll do it again @ sometime in the future after I've cleaned & "PEEKED" it
Hoadie
P.S: Does this rifle use the same cartridge as the French LaBelle?


 No to be honest I'd only ever heard of them until you posted & I decided to research the rifle & one thing led to another .So it's me that should be thanking you !
 
    The Lebell

     It was the first smokeless powder cartridge to be adopted by any country

       
8x50Rmm (8 mm Lebel)

Type Rifle
Place of origin Flag%20of%20France France
Service history
In service 1886-1944
Used by France, United States, Italy
Wars World War I, World War II
Production history
Variants Balle M, Balle D, Balle N, Balle T, Balle P
Specifications
Case type Rimmed, bottlenecked
Bullet diameter 8.3 mm (0.33 in)
Neck diameter 8.9 mm (0.35 in)
Shoulder diameter 11.6 mm (0.46 in)
Base diameter 13.8 mm (0.54 in)
Rim diameter 16.0 mm (0.63 in)
Rim thickness 51 mm (2.0 in)
Case length 51 mm (2.0 in)
Overall length 70 mm (2.8 in)
Primer type Large rifle
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
12.8 g (198 gr) Balle D FMJ 730 m/s (2,400 ft/s) 3,364 J (2,481 ft·lbf)





Performance

Balle M

Meters             200     400    600    800    1000    1500    2000
Trajectory (m) 0.14 0.81 2.39 5.27 9.83 31.71 75.61
Velocity (m/s) 488 397 335 290 255 197 160

Balle D

Meters              200     400    600    800    1000    1500   2000
Trajectory (m) 0.12 0.54 1.43 3.01 5.60 18.30 44.0
Velocity (m/s) 607 521 448 388 342 278 240
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Tra Dar......

 
8X60R Kropatchek Cases*



Item #: 8X60KROP






Your Price: $2.40 / Each

Unit:
  Each ($2.40)
 20 ($38.00)
 50 ($94.00)
 100 ($182.00)
Also the dies
Item #: RCB56375
Your Price: $137.99 / Each


Avalible from Buffalo  Arms

   hope that helps

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HOLY SMOKES!! Thanx Davie!!(I dunno where ya find this stuff-but I'm glad ya do!)
I got this rifle given to me along with a WWI Mauser.Both need a bath.I'll get 'em cleaned up when/if I ever get the time to devote.I`ll be needing your expertise on the Mauser as well.
Suffice to say I dony think I`ll be shooting the Kropatchek anytime soon-with low availability of ammo.
Hoadie
Loose wimmen tightened here
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Suffice to say I don't think I`ll be shooting the Kropatschek anytime soon-with low availability of ammo.

 Yeah she's definitely a Reloading propoiston ! That's why I looked up were to get Cases & dies They did have factory ammo ,but !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! after looking at the price for 20 rnds ,I thought better of printing itShockedShocked

    Your Mauser is a easy one it should be a GEW 98  8x57 (.323)


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Mauser stuff is pretty common.I shud have no troubles there.I'm surprised @ how short they are.This one has an unfinished stock as well.Someone was talking about that a while back on the forum.
Theres some "play" on the Mauser bolt in the full back position.Really havent dug into it that far..but suspect it aint quite right
Hoadie
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote White Rhino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 7:16am

I have a couple of mausers and all have play at the back... spanish , Yugo , Bosnian... all have a little play that will freak you out for the first time......but shoot like a dream even though....

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Hoadie German Mausers are becoming very rare
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Even my new manufacture CZ527 and CZ550 have a bit of "mauser wobble" when the bolt is in the full rear position, it is just part of the Mauser 98 design.
But the winters coming,

And the snow will cover tracks,

And I'll be watching,

Because I'm hunting you



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Well-thats a good thing.One less I have to worry about
Hoadie
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