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Goosic
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Topic: My Entrenching/Mine Probing ToolPosted: November 28 2023 at 7:52pm |
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Not alot of information could be found on the maker but, it is enough for a small history lesson.
![]() ![]() Edward Elwell Ltd was a company in Wednesbury (now in the county of West Midlands), England, that manufactured edge tools at Wednesbury Forge. The company was founded in 1817, and the forge closed in 2005. Edward Elwell (1783–1869),son of an ironfounder in Walsall, leased a forge in 1817 in Wood Green, Wednesbury, powered by water from the River Tame. There had been a water-powered forge in Wednesbury since at least 1597, when William Whorwood leased a forge owned by William Comberford. It may have been the same site as the forge at Wood Green, which by 1785 was one of four forges in the town.
Edward Elwell became known as a maker of quality edge tools, such as axes, hoes, shovels and spades. The machinery was powered by water and by steam engines. By 1851 Edward Elwell's son Edward (1814–1857) had taken over management of the company, but he resumed control on his son's death; his grandson Alfred took over when he died in 1869. The company exported to many countries, including America, where it sold large quantities of edge tools during the American Civil War. The company was interested in the welfare of its workforce, converting former workshops into housing, and developing sports facilities. St Paul's Church, Wood Green, completed in 1874, was built by the Elwell family. After Alfred Elwell's death in 1902 the business became a private limited company. The water wheels were replaced in 1904 by water turbines. In 1967, the company became one of the amalgamated firms of a newly formed company Spearwell Tools Ltd, and this was later taken over by Spear & Jackson. Wednesbury Forge closed in 2005, and the buildings were demolished in 2007.. |
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 10:55am |
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Nice! Originally a "Sirhind tool" which the British re-labelled as an INtrenching (not ENtrenching) implement! It was eventually reclassified as an "entrenching tool"
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 11:55am |
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Like the American intrenching tool a bad as# fight tool!
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 2:39pm |
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Oh especially with "The Pointy bit" on the other end! A Klingon would love it! ![]() |
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 4:13pm |
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I hear even Hoodie owns one.
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 4:23pm |
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I have no idea how to say "Gascon Batlith" in Canadian French!
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 9:41pm |
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im pleased to say mine now resides with a local here , these are an interesting bit and something all collators should have , ive not looked lately but they were not easy to find when i sought out the one i had , i wonder if they ended up in english gardening tools ?
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 12:02am |
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Alot of the ones I have been seeing for sale or up for auction, are missing the bayonet lugs and the carrier the handle and helve are secured into...
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 3:49am |
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They deleted the bayonet lug on the Mark 2 helve later in the war.
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 3:51am |
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Non-Military types would call the (in)entrenching tool a pick-mattock.
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 4:41am |
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Indeed I do! Just like the one shown. I keep it handy in case the Liberals start planting landmines to blame on domestic terrorists. Now if I could find the proper sling I posted for last week, I'd be a happy camper!
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Loose wimmen tightened here
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 7:56am |
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I have a repo sling on one of my SKS I might be will to trade out.
Let me check. What do you have to trade?
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 9:11am |
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The bayo lugs aren't "missing" as in removed. There were 2 versions one with & one without.
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 9:19am |
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A neutered tool in the Army?
Can not play or have pointed things now can we!
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 9:26am |
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The early ones didn't have it as they were issued in the day of the No1 MkIII, with its giant nosecap. It was later when the No4 with it different front end came out they added the ability to probe with an attached bayonet. "The Intrenching, pattern 1908 - Helve is a sturdy
piece of ash or hickory, about 16 1/2-inches long, with a steel ferrule
at one end. It is inserted through the eye of the Tool head. The Helve was unchanged throughout its original service life. Late in WWII, however, after the Implement, entrenching, pattern 1908 had been brought back into service, a Mk. II variant of the Helve would be introduced by ACI 976 dated June 1944. This version had an adapter fitting on the end, so that a "spike" Bayonet from the Lee-Enfield No. 4 Rifle
could be fitted to it, for use as a mine probe. This is a Mk. I
example. The maker mark is unreadable, but it is dated 1911. From the
Karkee Web Collection."
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 11:12am |
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I have 2 SKS rifles. I don't need / want sling for them..I want proper issue sling for my 1916 BSA. |
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Loose wimmen tightened here
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